Monday, January 18, 2010

Our God vs the LDS gods

"As man is God once was, as God is man may be." Lorenzo Snow said this of God and us. So by this view and since we are all sinners then we are to assume that God was once a sinner also. Even your Joseph Smith said in his “King Follett Discourse” about God, "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret... You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you..." Later Joseph Smith said "If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it."
Hmmm lets see what the Bible says, Isaiah 43:10, "Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me." Psalm 90:2 says of Him, "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." This is the God Christians worship. Of Him we can say, "Who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor? Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid? For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen." (Romans 11:34-36)
Then there is Brigham Young’s view on who god was, "Adam was the father of the spirits of mankind in addition to being the first procreator of mankind's physical bodies; that Adam came to this earth as a resurrected and exalted being; that he 'fell' to a mortal state of existence in order to procreate mortal bodies; and that Adam was the spiritual and physical father of Jesus Christ." Hmm so Adam was God? Wow if I was an LDS I would be confused also!
This is what True Christians know about God; God who is God alone (Isaiah 44:8), self-existent (Isaiah 43:10; 48:12), transcendent (Numbers 23:19; Ps. 50:21), immutable (Psalms 102:27; Isaiah 46:10; Malachi 3:6), eternal (Psalms 90:2; 93:2), omnipresent (1 Kings 8:27; Proverbs 15:3; Isaiah 66:1; Jeremiah 23:23-24), and incorporeal (John 4:24; Colossians 1:15; 1 Timothy 1:17). He is also a God who lives in the believer (Ephesians 3:17, 4:6; Romans 8:9) and is omnipotent (Job 42:2; Psalm 115:3; Matthew 19:26). So you say you are Christian, who is your God (gods)?

The god of Mormonism is one of many gods; Joseph Smith said, "I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods"
Brigham Young said, "How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods..."

The god of Mormonism is not self-existent; Orson Pratt taught, "We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father, and so one, from one generation to generation"

The god of Mormonism is not transcendent; the God of the Bible makes it clear that He is not like man, Mormon leaders have insisted that their God is an exalted human being, as I said before about this.

The god of Mormonism is not immutable; the God of the Bible makes it clear that He is not like man, Mormon leaders have insisted that their God is an exalted human being, again I have made my point before.

The god of Mormonism is not eternally God; Joseph Smith taught that God was not always God when he said, "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see"

The god of Mormonism is not incorporeal; the God of the Bible who is a God of Spirit (John 4:24), Joseph Smith taught, "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's"

The god of Mormonism is not omnipresent; because the LDS God is limited to a physical body, he is not omnipresent. Brigham Young said, "Some would have us believe that God is present everywhere. It is not so"
James Talmage stated that neither God the Father, nor "any actual person of any one member of the Godhead can be physically present in more than one place at one time". The Mormon God's "omnipresence" is fulfilled through the Holy Spirit which, according to John Widtsoe, is not to be confused with the Holy Ghost.

The god of Mormonism cannot dwell in the believer; Joseph Smith, "The idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man's heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false" (D&C 130:3. Oddly enough, the Book of Mormon teaches the Lord does dwell in the hearts of the righteous in Alma 34:36).

The god of Mormonism is not omnipotent; since the LDS God is the offspring of another God, then his God must be more advanced in his eternal progression than the God whom Mormons claim to serve. Willard Cleon Skousen you know the famous Mormon author wrote in his book - The First 2,000 Years "Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain Him as such...since God 'acquired' the honor and sustaining influence of 'all things' it follows as a corollary that if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or 'sense of justice' of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the 'power' of God would disintegrate...'He would cease to be God'".

Another major difference between the God of the LDS Church and that of historical Christianity is the fact that the God of the Bible forgives completely. In Isaiah 43:25, "I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins." In Jeremiah 31:34 it says God "will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Hebrews 8:12 says, "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." How comforting to know that the God of the Bible wills not to remember the believer's past sins!

The God of Mormonism, however, must keep in remembrance past transgressions for D&C 82:7 warns, "And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto the soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God." There is no possible way that these two beings can be the same? They cannot, so again who is your God, is He the true God of the Bible or the gods of Mormonism?

Look this up yourself, do not take my word for it or anyone else’s word. Trust God!

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